Crush Overwhelm: Master Work-Life Balance Through Effective Communication With Dana Zellers - Speak in Flow

Welcome to another exciting episode of *Speak in Flow*, where we dive deep into conversations that inspire and empower! In today’s episode, Melinda Lee is joined by the fabulous Dana Zellers, a seasoned expert in helping busy corporate professionals achieve success without sacrificing their personal lives.

Communicating to Overcome Overwhelm and Pressure

Dana shares her insights on how effective communication is key to managing feelings of overwhelm and pressure. She discusses practical strategies for clearly expressing needs and setting boundaries, which are essential for achieving a better work-life balance and enhancing overall well-being.

Clarity and Focus Through Communication

Learn how to gain clarity and focus on what truly matters through effective communication. Dana highlights reflective conversations and exercises that help leaders identify key activities driving significant results, allowing them to prioritize effectively.

Building Strong Relationships Through Communication

Dana emphasizes the importance of building and maintaining strong relationships in the workplace through open dialogue. Understanding and addressing others’ needs and goals can lead to better collaboration and mutual success.

Fun Facts About Dana

– Dana holds a Master’s degree in Creative Writing and has completed an unpublished novel.

– She writes a witty and insightful blog on TV and entertainment called [Procrastination Chronicles](http://procrastinationchronicles.com/).

Don’t miss out on this enlightening conversation! Tune in to hear Dana Zellers’ expert advice on achieving success and balance in the corporate world. Be sure to follow, rate, and review *Speak in Flow* on your favorite podcast platform.

Stay fabulous and keep speaking in flow!

About Our Guest: **Dana Zellers**

Dana is your go-to coach for mastering the art of work-life balance. With over 25 years of experience at renowned companies like Uber, Twitter, GS&P, and Publicis, Dana has seen it all. Her extensive background in the corporate world, combined with her iPEC and ICF certifications, makes her uniquely equipped to tackle the challenges today’s leaders face. Dana offers one-on-one coaching, group/team sessions, workshops, and speaks both virtually and in-person.

– Website: [Dana Zellers](https://www.danazellers.com/)

– LinkedIn: [Dana Zellers on LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/in/dzellers/)

– Instagram: [@dana_zellers](https://www.instagram.com/dana_zellers/)

About Melinda:

Melinda Lee is a Presentation Skills Expert, Speaking Coach and nationally renowned Motivational Speaker. She holds an M.A. in Organizational Psychology, is an Insights Practitioner, and is a Certified Professional in Talent Development as well as Certified in Conflict Resolution. For over a decade, Melinda has researched and studied the state of “flow” and used it as a proven technique to help corporate leaders and business owners amplify their voices, access flow, and present their mission in a more powerful way to achieve results.

She has been the TEDx Berkeley Speaker Coach and worked with hundreds of executives and teams from Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Caltrans, Bay Area Rapid Transit System, and more. Currently, she lives in San Francisco, California, and is breaking the ancestral lineage of silence.

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Transcript
Melinda Lee:

Welcome, dear listeners to the speak and flow

Melinda Lee:

podcast, where we share unique experiences to help you unleash

Melinda Lee:

your leadership voice. Today we have Dana Zellers, executive

Melinda Lee:

coach, she is known to help you crush it from being crushed. Or

Melinda Lee:

it's crushed. Crushed it from being crushed.

Dana Zellers:

Yeah, go for being crushed to crush again.

Melinda Lee:

Yes, go from being crushed to crush it. That's

Melinda Lee:

right. I love that. I love that it's so true. Because I mean,

Melinda Lee:

when we're doing so much, we often feel like oh, my goodness,

Melinda Lee:

like the world is crashing in caving in on us. And we don't we

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want to avoid that. And so I have you here today. Thank you

Melinda Lee:

so much for sharing your wisdom with us on how do we do this?

Melinda Lee:

Like, what did I mean, tell us more about that, like going into

Melinda Lee:

that where your leaders when people come to you? What are

Melinda Lee:

they feeling?

Dana Zellers:

Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. I think mostly

Dana Zellers:

when leaders come to me it is they're feeling overwhelmed.

Dana Zellers:

They're feeling all of this pressure, they really want to be

Dana Zellers:

successful at work. And historically, that has meant

Dana Zellers:

more and more and more hours and more tasks and more things. And

Dana Zellers:

they usually come to me when they're getting to the point

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where they're realizing that their personal life is

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suffering, their family is getting frustrated with him

Dana Zellers:

always being unavailable or having a phone out at every

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conversation. Maybe their health is starting to fail. Maybe

Dana Zellers:

they're just looking at what am I doing from now until they

Dana Zellers:

retire? Like is this what it looks like? Or is there a way

Dana Zellers:

that I can get back to a better work life balance?

Melinda Lee:

So if you're having any of those of you your

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relationships are suffering, your health? And I you know,

Melinda Lee:

what's interesting about health is I think a lot of us have been

Melinda Lee:

very accustomed to actually suppressing some of our health,

Melinda Lee:

health signs and symptoms and signals, which you know, if

Melinda Lee:

you're one of those, like really dig deep like is my house

Melinda Lee:

suffering? Yeah.

Dana Zellers:

And again, it's one of those things where if we

Dana Zellers:

can preempt some of those things, and not wait until our

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health is hospitalizing us or something dramatic, it's like

Dana Zellers:

all of those things, if I can start taking those steps now to

Dana Zellers:

start taking care of myself, not only am I going to feel better,

Dana Zellers:

and I'm going to be happier, but actually going to be more

Dana Zellers:

successful in the work stuff. All it's taking me away from it,

Dana Zellers:

we don't realize that that more and more and more is actually

Dana Zellers:

getting less effective. And it's taking away from from our

Dana Zellers:

personal well being.

Melinda Lee:

Right, yeah. Because like you said in the

Melinda Lee:

past, and I instill present, it feels like okay, the more we do,

Melinda Lee:

the more successful we're going to be. And you're here to say

Melinda Lee:

no, that's not true.

Dana Zellers:

That is not true. We really have to kind of flip

Dana Zellers:

that, that reframe. And it's so hard for us, because sometimes

Dana Zellers:

it's other people asking us to do more and more. But

Dana Zellers:

oftentimes, it's things that we want to do, or we feel like what

Dana Zellers:

benefits in some way. And one of the key pieces, the first step

Dana Zellers:

that I work with on all my clients is really getting

Dana Zellers:

clarity of focus. So what is important to you, truly, when

Dana Zellers:

you step back, all these things that you're just reacting to and

Dana Zellers:

responding to during a day, are those taking you to where you

Dana Zellers:

want to go. Right. And so as soon as we start getting that

Dana Zellers:

clarity, suddenly our schedule opens up. And for

Melinda Lee:

people, though, I mean, is it hard like to

Melinda Lee:

actually say, Hey, this is what is really important, are you do

Melinda Lee:

you find it easy for people,

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what I find is, is that truly taking the time. And so

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going through, I take people through exercises, we do some

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values, we do some visioning, we do some reflection, all of those

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things, looking at those gaps, the more people go through that

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process and take the time to really reflect on it. It's like

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a light bulb goes off, like, okay, when I look at how I'm

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spending my time, energy, not driving towards these things

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that I say are the most important to me, right?

Melinda Lee:

Because it feels like they all are important. And

Melinda Lee:

it feels like if I eliminate them, I'm being lazy. Or I can I

Melinda Lee:

can see myself if I'm going through this exercise, oh my

Melinda Lee:

gosh, I'm gonna live by eliminate that I'm being lazy,

Melinda Lee:

or if I eliminate this, it's gonna take me too long to get to

Melinda Lee:

my goal. Yeah.

Dana Zellers:

But the challenge is, is when we do that, I mean,

Dana Zellers:

I was totally that person who was like the last person in the

Dana Zellers:

office, I was working late on projects, I was doing all of

Dana Zellers:

that. And the problem with that is, is that we're not effective

Dana Zellers:

with our time when we're doing that. So if we can just choose

Dana Zellers:

the key things like we talked about the Pareto Principle, so

Dana Zellers:

that the 8020 rule that typically if 20% of what you're

Dana Zellers:

doing is leading to 80% of the results, then you want to focus

Dana Zellers:

on just that 20%. And the rest of the 80% of the things that

Dana Zellers:

you're doing actually might be benefiting you some, but not in

Dana Zellers:

enough ratio of of the amount of time that you're spending on it.

Dana Zellers:

Wow. And so if we're focusing on those few things that are moving

Dana Zellers:

the needle most and getting us where we want to go, and again,

Dana Zellers:

a lot of people come to me individually, so they're like,

Dana Zellers:

Okay, well personally, this is what I want to do, but what

Dana Zellers:

about my company, like they want me to be doing all of these

Dana Zellers:

things, but I think that same theory translates to your

Dana Zellers:

professional life. So you're looking at what is really

Dana Zellers:

important to your company. Look at what's really important to

Dana Zellers:

your boss and your team. So how did what you're doing fit into

Dana Zellers:

that? And what are the pieces that truly are going to give you

Dana Zellers:

the most bang for the buck? Right? As opposed to walking

Dana Zellers:

into your week and just reacting to emails and things like that,

Dana Zellers:

which is what we normally do,

Melinda Lee:

which is not what we normally do. So taking the

Melinda Lee:

time to reflect and say, Get really crystal clear about what

Melinda Lee:

is important to you, what is important to the company? Yeah,

Melinda Lee:

yeah. If they really value you and Bill value, the quality of

Melinda Lee:

what we're trying to do and the results, then they will I mean,

Melinda Lee:

do you have? Do you see people communicating that and having

Melinda Lee:

challenges around communicating that and with? Yeah,

Dana Zellers:

yeah, yeah, I think there are kind of three

Dana Zellers:

pieces to the work that I do with my clients. So one is that

Dana Zellers:

first piece, it's that focus, it's that clarity, what is

Dana Zellers:

really important to me, what am I paying attention to? One is

Dana Zellers:

kind of in the productivity area. So we want to be more

Dana Zellers:

efficient with our time, we want to be not only doing the right

Dana Zellers:

things, but we want to be doing them in the right way. The third

Dana Zellers:

piece is relationships. So when we go about our day, if we're

Dana Zellers:

not effective in the way that we're communicating to the

Dana Zellers:

people around us, if we are walking in and sort of being

Dana Zellers:

like, oh, you know, that person is asking me for this again, you

Dana Zellers:

know, sort of those things. But once we start to really focus on

Dana Zellers:

relationships, and give people the benefit of the doubt, and

Dana Zellers:

start to get really curious as to what they're looking for, we

Dana Zellers:

can start to open up a relationship where we're also

Dana Zellers:

able to really, honestly communicate what it is that

Dana Zellers:

we're looking to do, like, how do we all figure this out, as

Dana Zellers:

opposed to me over in this corner by myself, banging my

Dana Zellers:

head against the wall and trying to do these things by opening up

Dana Zellers:

those relationships, that's really the only way you're going

Dana Zellers:

to continue to be successful. That's

Melinda Lee:

interesting, because I work with some leaders

Melinda Lee:

before and they the perception is like I'm thinking about some

Melinda Lee:

leaders, and they have clients within the organization. And

Melinda Lee:

some of these clients have a good reputation, do you if you

Melinda Lee:

do things for them, it can really build you up. But then a

Melinda Lee:

lot of the things some of the things that they asked you to do

Melinda Lee:

may not be directly aligned to your own skill development, or

Melinda Lee:

what you'd like you said the clarity, the focus, like how

Melinda Lee:

would one address that or handle that? Yeah,

Dana Zellers:

no, it's really interesting. I do think, you

Dana Zellers:

know, we need to be cognizant about what relationships do for

Dana Zellers:

us. So, and again, this isn't like an in a yucky, like, I'm

Dana Zellers:

gonna, you know, I'm going to focus on this person, because

Dana Zellers:

they can do something for me, it's in a real estate of sort of

Dana Zellers:

sort of giving and sharing those things. And I think the key with

Dana Zellers:

those instances is evaluating. Okay, so how does this fit into?

Dana Zellers:

What's the most important for me to do? And what is the reason

Dana Zellers:

why be doing those things, sometimes relationship building

Dana Zellers:

is enough for it to become important to you. You're like,

Dana Zellers:

Okay, this isn't my This isn't in my wheelhouse. This isn't my

Dana Zellers:

skill set. Like, I'm not, I'm not jazzed about this. But this

Dana Zellers:

is a piece that's going to get anywhere I want to go. Sometimes

Dana Zellers:

it's not. And so again, we need to evaluate those things and

Dana Zellers:

say, okay, based on this relationship, you know, this is

Dana Zellers:

one of the pieces that just isn't a great fit for me. And

Dana Zellers:

the more you can open that dialogue, I think the problem

Dana Zellers:

that most people have is that they receive information. And

Dana Zellers:

that's the end of the communication. Whereas if you

Dana Zellers:

start having a conversation, and you ask questions about, you

Dana Zellers:

know, you know, why is this important to you? What is the

Dana Zellers:

scope of this? You know, who are all the other players? Is there

Dana Zellers:

somebody who might be a better fit for this, all of these

Dana Zellers:

things, you can have a conversation where, you know,

Dana Zellers:

it's not they tell me the information, and I do it, or I

Dana Zellers:

say, No, it's how do we open it up and figure out the best

Dana Zellers:

solution, that's really going to be a win win for everybody?

Melinda Lee:

Yeah, yeah. And it's hard because especially if

Melinda Lee:

you're just like you're walking in unprepared to, and then you

Melinda Lee:

go in, especially if it's a client or like an authority

Melinda Lee:

figure, you're just going in, and then you have nothing else

Melinda Lee:

to say you just taking and you're like, okay, here, I've

Melinda Lee:

just accepted this task that I don't want to do, or project. So

Melinda Lee:

being prepared first with the right questions.

Dana Zellers:

And particularly, when you're dealing, you know, a

Dana Zellers:

lot of people that I'm talking to, you are dealing with their

Dana Zellers:

managers, and it's, it's really making sure that you're having a

Dana Zellers:

real open regular conversation with them. So whether it's a

Dana Zellers:

client, or some of those people, it's like, with your manager,

Dana Zellers:

they're gonna be a little more concerned about here are all the

Dana Zellers:

things on my plate, here are all of the pieces that I understand

Dana Zellers:

are important, you know, based on those, you know, can we all

Dana Zellers:

get on the same page as to which are the most important and what

Dana Zellers:

we do with the things that that are beyond the scope of what can

Dana Zellers:

be done in this week or whatever. And so again, having

Dana Zellers:

that be really an open conversation where you're

Dana Zellers:

sharing that and you're all kind of deciding what the best focus

Dana Zellers:

is together, as opposed to it just being a one way street?

Dana Zellers:

Right? Obviously, if it's more a client relationship, we want,

Dana Zellers:

you know, to make sure that that work received well that all of

Dana Zellers:

these things are delivered. And there's a way to do that. So

Dana Zellers:

that again, you're understanding the scope of what a win for all

Dana Zellers:

of us is in the reality of everybody's bandwidth and

Dana Zellers:

circumstances. You No,

Melinda Lee:

I love this. I mean, I was just watching a real

Melinda Lee:

yesterday, this is more about entrepreneurship. But it's the

Melinda Lee:

same concept about if you want to be a millionaire, I think

Melinda Lee:

people will tend to do a lot. Yeah. But if you want to be a

Melinda Lee:

millionaire, you narrow in your focus, you get really, really

Melinda Lee:

good at that one thing. Yeah. And then that's how you make

Melinda Lee:

your millions. And then and then you take that money, and then

Melinda Lee:

you add to it, you expand to it, but it's a similar concept that

Melinda Lee:

what you teach? Yeah,

Dana Zellers:

absolutely. And so again, if we do everything, sort

Dana Zellers:

of, you know, a little bit, then again, you know, there is a

Dana Zellers:

benefit to being a generalist and doing you know, more things,

Dana Zellers:

but again, within those making sure that I can really

Dana Zellers:

accelerate this. I mean, I think that, you know, when we decide

Dana Zellers:

all of the things that we want to do with our time, it's like,

Dana Zellers:

okay, why is this important to me during this time? Why is this

Dana Zellers:

important in my job? And so then we decide how much time is that

Dana Zellers:

worth to me to do that, and so in making those decisions,

Dana Zellers:

again, it's like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be great at these few

Dana Zellers:

things that I'm doing, I'm not going to be one of those people

Dana Zellers:

who says, I will make that deadline and misses it, I'm not

Dana Zellers:

going to be one of those people who doesn't have time to prove

Dana Zellers:

my work and go through all of those things. It's like all

Dana Zellers:

those little things that if we get really scattered, the great

Dana Zellers:

impression we're trying to make is just lost. And so if we focus

Dana Zellers:

on a few things, and really make sure that we're leading

Dana Zellers:

ourselves enough time, like knowing that emergencies are

Dana Zellers:

going to happen, knowing that things are going to come up,

Dana Zellers:

bake that into the plan, so that we're saying yes to fewer

Dana Zellers:

things, which unfortunately, does mean that we're saying no

Dana Zellers:

to other

Melinda Lee:

things. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I love that. And can you

Melinda Lee:

share an example of one of your clients like, one of your best

Melinda Lee:

clients and what happened?

Dana Zellers:

Yeah, so I had an amazing client comes to mind,

Dana Zellers:

who was just so eager, all of these things, was an independent

Dana Zellers:

contributor, and really wanted to move into a managing

Dana Zellers:

leadership role was was ready for this, this was happening.

Dana Zellers:

And there were two challenges that they were really facing

Dana Zellers:

when we came together. One is too much work. So all of these

Dana Zellers:

things would come in, things would come up as an emergency,

Dana Zellers:

they were a go to guy for some senior leadership to figure

Dana Zellers:

things out. And so part of that was that conversation of how do

Dana Zellers:

we give ourselves enough time to be successful with the things

Dana Zellers:

that we want to do? So we definitely did work in that

Dana Zellers:

area. But the other piece that was a huge piece of this was,

Dana Zellers:

they were in data science. And so they were very, like, I ran

Dana Zellers:

the numbers, this is what we should do, it's very clear. And

Dana Zellers:

they would share that information with other people.

Dana Zellers:

And they wouldn't do what they said, Okay, we're just getting

Dana Zellers:

so frustrated, right? And so we really worked on those

Dana Zellers:

relationships. So we turned it around as to you're not just

Dana Zellers:

bringing information to them that they go off into a black

Dana Zellers:

box, it's a conversation. So how do we open up that conversation

Dana Zellers:

to really understand what they're trying to do, what the

Dana Zellers:

information is, how you can be helpful and how we can come up

Dana Zellers:

with a solution that's going to get us there. And it ended up

Dana Zellers:

really just transforming their relationship, they were able to

Dana Zellers:

really understand kind of the nuance of how the data fit into

Dana Zellers:

that, and so much that there were pieces that they didn't

Dana Zellers:

know about it. And once they got that information, they were able

Dana Zellers:

to share more information on their side. And again, it really

Dana Zellers:

created a team where they were able to be successful. And their

Dana Zellers:

manager saw this and saw this transformation transformation

Dana Zellers:

and move them into a more senior role.

Melinda Lee:

I love that. I mean, I especially love that I

Melinda Lee:

keep on saying that. But I really the reason why is because

Melinda Lee:

it's like because I hear you saying that, okay, this is a

Melinda Lee:

person independent contribute to our all of our, you know, really

Melinda Lee:

high top performers out there who are independent

Melinda Lee:

contributors, you already got a lot going on, you're doing so

Melinda Lee:

much, so much being I can already help you data can help

Melinda Lee:

you which isn't productive with all the things that you're

Melinda Lee:

doing. But again, don't remember that there's a relationship

Melinda Lee:

piece around if you're really going to be a top leader, a

Melinda Lee:

leader of a manager, a team, the relationships are where it's at.

Melinda Lee:

And it's about communication.

Dana Zellers:

The relationships are absolutely where it's at. I

Dana Zellers:

mean, as as successful as we can all be on our tasks, what the

Dana Zellers:

perception of you is so important. More important, and

Dana Zellers:

so if people again, see you in a corner, working on your stuff

Dana Zellers:

and doing a good job, yeah, be fine. You may you may move ahead

Dana Zellers:

to a degree, but you're without developing those relationships

Dana Zellers:

without being able to share your wins with people in the right

Dana Zellers:

way. No one's ever going to see you as that next leader to step

Dana Zellers:

into that role.

Melinda Lee:

Totally. That was me. I mean, that's why people

Melinda Lee:

got promoted before me. So you're singing my Yeah, song.

Melinda Lee:

Yeah,

Dana Zellers:

I mean, we all do feel like the work that we're

Dana Zellers:

doing speaks for itself. Right.

Melinda Lee:

And unfortunately, it doesn't, is it that's a Yeah,

Melinda Lee:

that's what we think. And it doesn't. It doesn't it's most

Melinda Lee:

also communicating that and telling them experiences the

Melinda Lee:

lesson learned and stepping up to do that. Exactly, exactly.

Melinda Lee:

it. Oh my gosh, that's so great. And so what are some of the

Melinda Lee:

things that? How do people get a hold of you? Like, what are some

Melinda Lee:

of the things that you're doing for clients?

Dana Zellers:

Yeah, um, well, one of the first things I give

Dana Zellers:

to my clients is what I like to call the better week blueprint.

Dana Zellers:

This is a template that I would offer to anybody who's

Dana Zellers:

available. It's at Dana zellers.com/better week. And

Dana Zellers:

what this is, is it's really a week planning system to be

Dana Zellers:

intentional about how we're spending our time and this week,

Dana Zellers:

and as we talked about that reflection piece, so looking

Dana Zellers:

back and making sure that I'm learning from all of those

Dana Zellers:

experiences, and moving forward. Again, it's the first tool that

Dana Zellers:

I give most of my clients. So I love to offer it so that anybody

Dana Zellers:

can really appreciate it. And again, I do work with a lot of

Dana Zellers:

clients, one on one. And so if anybody is interested in talking

Dana Zellers:

about that further, I would love to

Melinda Lee:

have a chat. I love that. And so what is such a

Melinda Lee:

valuable tool? I mean, I could see how that would really help

Melinda Lee:

me, but then I'd also see how it can need your help to support me

Melinda Lee:

through that.

Dana Zellers:

Yeah, again, it's one of those things, I think the

Dana Zellers:

process is really iterative. I think having that focus and

Dana Zellers:

knowing what's important to you is such a key piece, but then

Dana Zellers:

making sure that you're being intentional about creating that

Dana Zellers:

in your day, your week, your month, your year. Having those

Dana Zellers:

those two pieces married together is so important.

Melinda Lee:

And I can especially see how people could

Melinda Lee:

fall back into old patterns being comfortable, especially if

Melinda Lee:

that's something you already know how to do, you're me and

Melinda Lee:

you're just, we

Dana Zellers:

are not creatures who like change. Even if the

Dana Zellers:

situation that we're in isn't getting us where we want to go

Dana Zellers:

getting out of that is so important. And I think having a

Dana Zellers:

partner can be a huge step. We can do a lot on our own, but we

Dana Zellers:

can get further faster in someplace different than we even

Dana Zellers:

envisioned for ourselves with help of somebody

Melinda Lee:

else, especially on the other side, especially when

Melinda Lee:

there's change. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Awesome. And any last like

Melinda Lee:

leadership tips that you want to share with the audience? Yeah,

Dana Zellers:

I would say the overall perspective that I have

Dana Zellers:

is we do want to invest a little time to saving ourselves so much

Dana Zellers:

time in the future. So whether that's with somebody else, or on

Dana Zellers:

your own, really thinking about what's important, really

Dana Zellers:

planning people don't like planning, they hate it when I

Dana Zellers:

say plan, but really taking a little time and thinking about

Dana Zellers:

like, Okay, if this is what a change that I want in my life,

Dana Zellers:

what do we need to do to get there? And how do I invest some

Dana Zellers:

time to start making that change? Right,

Melinda Lee:

right. Right. And the support to help us?

Dana Zellers:

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. There is support all

Dana Zellers:

around us. So take advantage. Um, why wouldn't we?

Melinda Lee:

Right? Oh, I love it. Thank you, Dana. That was

Melinda Lee:

powerful. I learned so much. And I trust that the audience has

Melinda Lee:

also taken away. Lots of nuggets, lots of great advice

Melinda Lee:

and tip. So reach out to Dana she is your support to take you

Melinda Lee:

to the next level to move up in your career and your

Melinda Lee:

professional and overall life. So thanks again, Dana, for being

Melinda Lee:

here so much for having me. This was so fun. Until next time.

Melinda Lee:

Take care